tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3892857592788649371.post6791975290990514144..comments2021-09-04T09:34:11.521-07:00Comments on Signs and Shadows: Changes in educationCatholicGuyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09129339825000536287noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3892857592788649371.post-10380402860400560912012-06-06T14:41:01.555-07:002012-06-06T14:41:01.555-07:00Overall I do not see where you think I am discoura...Overall I do not see where you think I am discouraging college education in general. My point is simply that the sea change in education is already coming, and promoting alternate education in lieu of the fact that colleges are becoming so expensive that alternate education avenues will increase in size and acceptability.<br /><br />"More students should be encouraged to pursue science and engineering careers, and fewer should be encouraged to pursue the liberal arts."<br /><br />I agree that too many colleges encourage degrees that do not offer employment given that is why the vast majority of people go to college. I disagree that the liberal arts should be discouraged in principle.<br /> <br />However, the ridiculousness that passes for a liberal arts education needs to be reform. But this is a topic for a different post. Suffice it to say I find the wretched state of the liberal arts a tragedy.CatholicGuyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09129339825000536287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3892857592788649371.post-3737417438568184572012-06-06T14:32:48.216-07:002012-06-06T14:32:48.216-07:00I agree that a college education is not a requirem...I agree that a college education is not a requirement for employment, but the question is what kind of employment you want. If you want your children to be the engineers who run their plant they need advanced education. If you are happy with them being technicians who work for the engineer (and there is nothing wrong with that) then they might be fine just getting associates degrees. However, they still would benefit from the basic education an associates degree offers.<br /><br />As Christians we all believe that everything positive we (or our children) have are gifts from God, including talents and intelligence. What you do with those gifts is your gift back to God. Nurturing those gifts through education has inherent benefit. <br /><br />I do agree that too many colleges encourage students to follow career paths that suffer from underemployment. More students should be encouraged to pursue science and engineering careers, and fewer should be encouraged to pursue the liberal arts. This is a problem that needs correcting, but discouraging higher education in totality is an over-reaction and will lead to a less competitive workforce.<br /><br />JCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3892857592788649371.post-23623018654624935912012-06-06T12:38:57.989-07:002012-06-06T12:38:57.989-07:00I do not see your views and mine to be mutually ex...I do not see your views and mine to be mutually exclusive. I do dispute that "technical" jobs require advanced degrees. Although it depends on how one defines technical. <br /><br />What I predict will end is the erroneous notion that a college degree is a requirement for basic employment. There definitely is a education bubble, and the "value" of education vs. the actual results is quite a large gap.CatholicGuyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09129339825000536287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3892857592788649371.post-65104764763636791732012-06-06T11:34:42.276-07:002012-06-06T11:34:42.276-07:00I think this mindset has some severe limitations. ...I think this mindset has some severe limitations. Doctors and nurses need formal training which goes beyond "on the job experience". A very large amount of the bookwork from undergrad that I thought would not be useful in practical medicine has proven to be essential. I would not feel comfortable working with nurses, techs or PAs who did not understand why sterilization protocols must be followed, and had merely received "badges" for watching hand washing videos online. <br /><br />This goes beyond clinical fields. My father in law, a mechanical engineer, will not hire any engineers with less training than a masters degree because of the immense amount of technical knowledge required to run their plant. He says that it is too expensive to fix problems created by people who don't know what they are doing, and that masters programs prepare their workers well. This was the argument he used to push all of his children into higher education.<br /><br />Maybe everyone doesn't need to go to college, but anyone who wants a job which is technical, competitive, or clinical should strongly consider going. <br /><br />JCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3892857592788649371.post-38664940426751925602012-06-06T09:53:41.902-07:002012-06-06T09:53:41.902-07:00Indeed, your ideas are but the first of the major ...Indeed, your ideas are but the first of the major shift coming. The glut of degrees is already at a supersaturation point. I think of what my wife says about Korea, where an undergrad degree is like a GED here. Now everyone is going for advanced degrees in numbers that dwarf what we have here.CatholicGuyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09129339825000536287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3892857592788649371.post-2156893348311533522012-06-06T09:50:36.825-07:002012-06-06T09:50:36.825-07:00Rebecca and I have had many conversations about th...Rebecca and I have had many conversations about this. We're more-or-less leaning toward trying to get our (future) children through vocational school for a year or two (or beyond) so that they are skilled as electricians or massueses or beer-brewers (etc), then try to *help* send them to a good Catholic university (Steubenville, Wyoming Catholic, CUA, Bellmont Abbey, etc) or Great Books program (St John's College) if they want the education. You know as well as I do about the value of a degree (even an advanced degree) from a university as far as getting a good career is concerned; especially if after completing the advanced degree, you decide that you want to do something else.Dr. Sandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01210899232931814200noreply@blogger.com